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Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:14 pm
by vanzen
Yves Faucher, 2190, Route 138, Elgin, Quebec, J0S 1A0, Canada
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phone: (450)-264-2100
home url: http://mcmoto.aomx.de/index_en.html
then click:"some pages from our catalogue"

And I never did get that mail ...

Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:57 am
by ME 109
How much better (horsepower) is a mikuni over a 40mm bing? 5%? 10%?

Does horsepower come into the equation or is it more a matter of responsiveness at given rev ranges?

I don't understand why people want to squeeze an extra few hp from a airhead engine and still only have an engine with a third hp of what can be had in other bikes.

I realise a lot more than a few hp can be gained by hot rodding an airhead but that's going to take some big bucks?

All questions/statements based on my complete ignorance. :mrgreen:

Why?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:42 am
by vanzen
ME 109 wrote:How much better (horsepower) is a mikuni over a 40mm bing? 5%? 10%?
Too many variables. The answer could be less, none, some –
or as many (horsepower) as other comprehensive engine changes will support.
ME 109 wrote:Does horsepower come into the equation or is it more a matter of responsiveness at given rev ranges?
Yes. Both. Perhaps.
Let's start with the assumption that BMW might have had good reason
to fit slide carbs (and not CD carbs) to the performance oriented R90S.
If there will be one truism about the Slide vs CD carb comaparison,
it might be that the slide can work very well as a performance carb, the CD typically does not.
As evidence of this fact, witness the popularity of Mikuni VM slide carbs on BMW Vintage Racers.
Elapsed time between wrist input and throttle response will be a primary consideration.
IF maximum HP output and torque delivery characteristics of a given engine are primary objectives,
one might rather pursue the path of detailed attention to intake/carb/head/exhaust matching and tuning –
rather than swapping carb type.
If coaxing that well built, matched, and tuned engine around the track
in the least amount of time possible will be the goal –
consider a slide.
ME 109 wrote:I don't understand why people want to squeeze an extra few hp from a airhead engine and still only have an engine with a third hp of what can be had in other bikes.
The problem will be in the expectation of a purely rational and objectively justifiable response.
None exists.
The answer might well involve the feelings of "accomplishment & gratification"
that will be the result of focusing a fine machine's performance to suit one individual's expectations
as the direct and immediate result of that individual's personal and hands-on involvement.
In essence of quality, if not in quantity,
this might be the same motive that will make another BMW owner just so damn proud
of whatever doo-dad add-on that might distinguish his ride
from the thousands of other cookie-cutter models sold ...
Or, the answer might simply be: "Why not ?"

Note: I own and ride a 120-HP R1200S. I am also building an airhead that might put down 80 ...
I suspect that the "joy" of riding that build will not be fairly described or judged on a dyno.
ME 109 wrote:I realise a lot more than a few hp can be gained by hot rodding an airhead but that's going to take some big bucks?
As anything the individual should choose to pursue in a consumer/capitalist society –
there will be a price to pay.
... and the law of "Diminishing Returns" certainly applies.

Re: Why?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:41 am
by Garnet
vanzen@rockerboxer.com wrote: As anything the individual should choose to pursue in a consumer/capitalist society –
there will be a price to pay.
... and the law of "Diminishing Returns" certainly applies.
That seems to apply to every time I put a wrench on one of my bikes, let alone the impact on my Visa card. :?

Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:44 pm
by Rapid Dog
...Damn Vanz, well said...

I posted these questions here instead of the MOA site for the very reason that I didn't want to waste my time with pat answers that have no value, and the fact that one seems to get purist responses that have about the same value.

Bottom line, even as a touring bike/ weekend warrior, I want my RS to be 'all it can be' without being radical.
Not interested in 'hot-rodding' as the geezers say. Just would like to see what better throttle response on an airhead is like.
HP be damned.

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Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:20 pm
by ME 109
Thanks Vanzen for your well informed answer.

Rapid dog, please don't think I'm bagging you out for wanting to improve the performance of your RS. I have an RS also, and at times have thought about 'increasing performance'
But it doesn't take long for me to realise that in 'my case', there is no point.

I was keen to find out what sort of hp can be gained from various mods to our bikes.
The 80 hp that Vanzen is hoping to achieve would be quite something to experience.

From my limited knowledge regarding performance mods, I couldn't see a great advantage between a well tuned bing and a mikuni, hence my questions.

Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:14 pm
by Rapid Dog
...no worries amigo, just commenting on my experience over 'there'... ;)

re: MOA

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:18 pm
by vanzen
As Ed "Big Daddy" Roth drew it:
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Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:52 pm
by r90s
Make the bike, and yourself, lighter in weight.

It'll make a bigger difference and it will be easier to accomplish.

Re: Mikunis on an R100RS?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:06 pm
by dougie
Ride it like the 125GP guys -
Go fast by not slowing down.