How much technology can you stand?

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Re: How much technology can you stand?

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Major Softie wrote:What, you've never fixed a power window before?
Never owned one myself.
I've had three cars that were so equipped; I still own two of them. NONE have failed as yet, not even the 25-year-old Lotus.

I think this argument is like the guys who won't ride modern bikes due to the fear of 'black box' failures. While theoretically possible, their actual likelihood is so remote that the argument becomes essentially spurious.
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Chuey wrote:The point may have been missed. He said he likes cranking down the window. So do I.
I don't, but don't get me wrong- I do respect the simplicity, but compared to pushing a button the cranking process seems distracting; it certainly does when I think of how it usually means having one arm moving so much and moving my shoulder with it while my other arm tries to remain still enough to keep the car between the lines. With my car I don't even have to hold the button; it has two detents for different functions. If I press it to the first detent it'll move the glass as long as I hold the button; if I press it to the second detent it automatically opens (or closes) fully. One-touch opening is great because it greatly reduces the time my mind is off the road and my hand is off the wheel. The sunroof works the same way. :)
I'm under the impression that generally, power windows have become much more reliable over the years.
They most certainly have.
I do understand that there were a couple generations of VW Jettas, Golfs, etc. that had big problems with their power windows and also with their air conditioner.
I have no idea about the aircon, but there was a recall for windows that applied to my 2002 VW. The problem was with a plastic guide on the window-track, so it was not an issue specific to the idea of power windows. My car has yet to be affected by the problem now that it is 9 years old and has 132K on the clock, so I never had the recall work done. Conversely, I did respond to a recall having to do with ignition coils and I did have to have some warranty-work done on the big multi-plug that connects the radio to the wiring harness.
My VW doesn't have power windows. But then, my VW doesn't have power in general.
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Re: How much technology can you stand?

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The Veg wrote:
Zombie Master wrote:
Major Softie wrote:What, you've never fixed a power window before?
Never owned one myself.
I've had three cars that were so equipped; I still own two of them. NONE have failed as yet, not even the 25-year-old Lotus.

I think this argument is like the guys who won't ride modern bikes due to the fear of 'black box' failures. While theoretically possible, their actual likelihood is so remote that the argument becomes essentially spurious.
Was riding with a friend on his ST1100 Honda. The black box failed and that was that. Too bad he didn't have a backup. One requires redundant systems when relying on these solid state units. As far as electric windows go: if you need a system like that to wind up your window, you should be able to park in the handicapped parking area. On the west coast almost everyone I know who keeps a vehicle past warranty seems to have problems with electric windows. Could be the rain and/or planned obsolescence. These vehicles aren't Scottish.
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The point may have been missed. He said he likes cranking down the window. So do I. I even find it interesting how the engineers designed the cranking ratio which is different on cars of varying manufacture

Eggs-ackly; turns out I'm an analog guy in a post digital world...although I truly to appreciate the internet. Used to be I'd wait patiently to have a question anwered-now there's google & instant know-ification!
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Chuey wrote:The point may have been missed. He said he likes cranking down the window. So do I. I even find it interesting how the engineers designed the cranking ratio which is different on cars of varying manufacture.

I'm under the impression that generally, power windows have become much more reliable over the years. I do understand that there were a couple generations of VW Jettas, Golfs, etc. that had big problems with their power windows and also with their air conditioner.

My VW doesn't have power windows. But then, my VW doesn't have power in general.

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There is just nothing like being stuck in a car with power windows that fail ,in a traffic jam in the Australian summer ....oh yeah ,that car had air con but it just couldn't keep up with the heat . All doors open ...drive forward, close doors , stop ,open doors . :shock:
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justoneoftheguys wrote: there is a lot of turbulence at speed.
Dude, I drive a VW. Explain this phrase: "at speed".

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Chuey wrote:
justoneoftheguys wrote: there is a lot of turbulence at speed.
Dude, I drive a VW. Explain this phrase: "at speed".

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Over 40mph. Surely you can muster that?
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Re: How much technology can you stand?

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In answer to the original question, I have this to contribute.

In bicycles, there has been a "revolution" of gobbledy gookish "technology" that has polluted my beloved simple machines. If you like that stuff, you're welcome to it. But I will puke if I see one more six thousand dollar plus cookie cutter bike made in a mold in China!

There has been a backlash reaction to this "technology" in both off road and road oriented bikes. Make no mistake, it has its adherents and advocates and they are welcome to it. For me, it is not satisfying. It is not even attractive. The reason I like bicycles in the first place is that I have thought of them all along as honest machines. That is, they have their insides on the outside.

What has happened as a result of what I feel is a bunch of unneeded fancy features is that for some, bicycles have become more "simple". That is to say that there is a reaction (to complication) going on that results in single speed bikes. It has even become a fad. For mountain and road, single speeders are in fashion. Some call single speed cycling liberating.

There is nothing electronic on any of my bikes. Carbon fibre is absent for the most part. If I'm honest about this, there may be a reason that I haven't "felt" (that really means embraced) the single speed fad. As I tried the various "technology", I have adopted very little of it. Much of it hasn't made my rides more fun. That's right. My criteria is F-U-N.

I guess that categorizes this to the point where I need say no more. As in "in a nutshell". Have a nice ride. Ride what you like. Please don't think less of me because I don't embrace all your do-dads. They are fine for you but don't call my bike a "retro ride". Cheers.

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I like my $20 cycle computer , simplest tech anywhere and it's actually accurate . A mate has one on his Norton .

My 20 year old steel MB has 18 speeds and I use every one !
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