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Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:42 pm
by vanzen
Engineers will prescribe a wheel to be built within certain performance / design characteristics,
and reality may indeed push our adventures past the limits of that performance envelope.
The singular circumstance of hitting one thing with a force sufficient
to cause a catastrophic failure of a structurally sound wheel is certainly possible.
But a significantly greater possibility if that wheel is not structurally sound.
The same will be true if those wheels are subjected to repetitive stress ...
Failure of metals is more frequently the result of fatigue - a function of accumulated repetitive stress.

NO wheel is able to differentiate between cobblestones, pot-holes, or other road anomalies –
Forces applied and the response of a given design to those forces will be just the same.

I've not much experience with cobblestones – but plenty with "cobbled" roads,
and I'd hate to think that there will be anyone out there on pre-recall flakes thinking:
"Not to worry, ain't no cobblestones in my neighborhood"

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:56 pm
by Duane Ausherman
Kurt in S.A.[/quote]

Victoria Canada
Vancouver Canada
Edinburgh Scotland
Sacramento California

Cleveland Ohio has one short street of cobblewood. Yes, cut pieces of wood with the end grain up. Really fun in the rain on a bike.

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:06 pm
by Major Softie
ME 109 wrote: I would think that all these recall snowflakes would show signs of cracking long before a major problem presented itself.
YOU TALKIN' TO ME?!!!!!

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:17 pm
by ME 109
Major Softie wrote:
ME 109 wrote: I would think that all these recall snowflakes would show signs of cracking long before a major problem presented itself.
YOU TALKIN' TO ME?!!!!!

I quite clearly wrote 'itself'
Not 'himself' :lol:

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:28 pm
by Flatwins
Just to clarify, the original recall was only for the front wheel and not the rear. Or at least this was as far as I understood. I traded a set of wheels probably 10 years ago and got a recall front. My local dealer (since retired) swapped it out for a new wheel.

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:23 am
by Major Softie
ME 109 wrote:
Major Softie wrote:
ME 109 wrote: I would think that all these recall snowflakes would show signs of cracking long before a major problem presented itself.
YOU TALKIN' TO ME?!!!!!
I quite clearly wrote 'itself'
Not 'himself' :lol:
I figured that was just a dehumanizing extension of the insult. :D

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:06 am
by Deleted User 287
Flatwins wrote:Just to clarify, the original recall was only for the front wheel and not the rear. Or at least this was as far as I understood. I traded a set of wheels probably 10 years ago and got a recall front. My local dealer (since retired) swapped it out for a new wheel.
And I thought you had to bring the wheel in on the bike so they could check the frames serial number?

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:07 am
by Ridercam
The serial numbers are on the wheels themselves. What I was told, the dealer then charges off BMW for the wheel and service. No need to bring the bike. We'll see and report.

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:22 pm
by Jean
Original reason for the failures and FREE change-out was when the casting cooled, the thick hub and the thinner spoke with NO reinforcements, cooled at too much a different rate, setting up stresses that made cracking/breaking off VERY likely...and they did.
Aluminum is more succeptable to this than Iron, but any casting not designed adequately will behave this way.

Re: Recalled snowflakes... Return em or ride em?

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:05 pm
by ME 109
So it may be fair to say that a new, unused , and unreinforced snowflake could have been heat treated (normalised) to relieve the inherent stresses and become fault free?

....I wonder if the re-enforcing web was designed to help resist the shrinkage during the wheel cooling process, or to brace the potentially 'stressed after cooled' spokes under normal riding conditions?

I wonder if I should stop wondering about things too much? :ugeek: