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Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:45 pm
by Major Softie
vanzen@rockerboxer.com wrote:
...The reverse flow system gives the best ratio of sound reduction and performance,
and is the type of system used for all of our standard mufflers,
providing improved mid-range torque, dynamic response and reduced static back-pressure.
What the hell is "static back-pressure? It sounds like they're saying that it provides reduced back-pressure when there is no exhaust traveling through the exhaust. :lol:

Are they talking about under constant pressure, rather than the waves of pressure of actual exhaust production?

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:30 pm
by rheritage
Jeff,

Rich here, did you ever think you would get so much traffic on a simple question about "Sport Mufflers" . I learned a long time ago you're still the one that has to make the ultimate decision on what you like, after reviewing all the information the replies have provided make your call, which I think you already did. Sometimes it will be wrong, most times not but thats half the fun of figuring out what works for you and your bike.

By the way, love my Hoske's, LOL!!!

Let me know how you like them once you take delivery from Germany.

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:25 pm
by Chuey
Man, those Staintune mufflers are beautiful! As I understand it, they can be had in a stock configuration which means quiteness same as stock. They fall under the category of "Buy the best and cry once."

Chuey

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:43 am
by boxertwinjeff
rheritage wrote:Jeff,

Rich here, did you ever think you would get so much traffic on a simple question about "Sport Mufflers" . I learned a long time ago you're still the one that has to make the ultimate decision on what you like, after reviewing all the information the replies have provided make your call, which I think you already did. Sometimes it will be wrong, most times not but thats half the fun of figuring out what works for you and your bike.

By the way, love my Hoske's, LOL!!!

Let me know how you like them once you take delivery from Germany.
It happens now and then, am learning all the time C/O Boxerworks Forum.
I like the idea of experimenting with different Mufflers, it's all part of the fun of owning her, though I
love the sound of my Staintunes, and get comments on them now and then., and their keepers,
just feel I wanna Spice things up abit, I'm sure I'll like the Hoskes and will give a report on them.
In the future, may even grab a set of the Norton Megaphones, their relatively inexpensive.

Re: Staintune Mufflers

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:23 am
by SteveD
Staintunes, but not the sport version.

Started from cold, full choke. Needed a carb balance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hdz-As6 ... lpage#t=5s

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:57 am
by ME 109
Needs a load of outback red Aussie dust Steve, other than that all appears in order. :mrgreen:

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:03 am
by SteveD
ME 109 wrote:Needs a load of outback red Aussie dust Steve, other than that all appears in order. :mrgreen:

It's been a while since I've ventured to "outback" places Jeff. The last time was to Wilpena Pound and thereabouts, back in the 1980's. I did do the Nulla twice, but that was sealed by then. However I ventured along bits of the old Nullabor Hwy that could be seen from the new road. It must've taken a week or so to rattle across in those days!

After a high speed run from Hawker to somewhere I forget (heading home) the blood clot RS I was on was so badly pock marked on the fairing that it was almost more white than red across the lowers. That had a beautiful paint job before the ride. Shattered :cry: The trick was to avoid getting too close to the back of a road train! Hard way to learn.

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:03 pm
by jjwithers
This has got to be the longest topic on boxerworks...ever! and i love it. I've learned a ton.

What about the idea of adding a baffle to 'tune' your exhaust on a BMW? Can it be done?
I ask for those running aftermarket short pipes, or straight pipes without mufflers. I'm wondering if you can install a baffle in the header pipe, or somewhere else to tune the flow a bit. There are dozens of baffle options out there.

And it would quiet a bike down a bit. If only the Harley guys would use them too....

not just about the noise anymore

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:12 pm
by vanzen
jjwithers wrote:This has got to be the longest topic on boxerworks...ever! and i love it. I've learned a ton.

What about the idea of adding a baffle to 'tune' your exhaust on a BMW? Can it be done?
I ask for those running aftermarket short pipes, or straight pipes without mufflers. I'm wondering if you can install a baffle in the header pipe, or somewhere else to tune the flow a bit. There are dozens of baffle options out there.
I would certainly not advise stuffing a baffle of any sort into a "header pipe".
As reason to dismiss such a concept,
let's start with the (now) accepted practice of increasing primary pipe diameter throughout it's length
in order to boost torque output throughout the RPMs.
Seems to me that adding a baffle into a header pipe
effectively reduces both the diameter and effective length (volume) of the system ...
To achieve what desired result ?

Greatly simplified basics:
Primary pipe diameter determines the RPM point at which torque peak will be produced.
This RPM becomes the "fulcrum" about which the torque curve pivots with changes of primary length.
Lengthening the primary pipe adds torque above that [established torque peak RPM]
and removes torque below that [established torque peak RPM].
Shortening primary pipe length adds torque below the RPM peak and removes it from above.

Hence, dragsters that operate at or near redline ONLY
will use large diameter short pipes.
Torque peak will be fixed at or near redline,
and torque delivery will be needed at those RPMs used before that torque peak / redline.

Road-race MCs typically run at high RPMs.
Torque peak will be tuned to BE THERE at these higher, most used, RPMs.
Primary length will be adjusted accordingly, and, typically,
with shorter primaries than will be found on a street MC
which typically needs to be able to operate at a range of lower RPMs ...

So, what works on an old air-head ?
Pretty much what the factory did:
38 mm diameter primary pipe to put the peak at a streetable RPM
and pipes long enough to balance torque delivery throughout usable RPMs –
and crossovers to fine-tune that torque curve.

At the risk of being redundant again ...
Any vehicle exhaust system will need to be designed and engineered for it's intended use.
The operative term may well be "engineered" –

Re: Sports Mufflers

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:50 pm
by jjwithers
Excellent write up Vanzen. Thanks.
I wasn't asking as much because of the noise of the exhaust. It was more about the idea of 'tricking' the engine into thinking it had a longer exhaust system or more 'back pressure' by adding a baffle.
I agree, factory specs are the best... for everyday use. It was how the bike was designed.