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Major Softie wrote:...Since the actual risk is unknown, I feel more comfortable not engaging the unknown and unmeasurable risk. ...

Could the activity of motorcycling even exist, let alone be enjoyed,
without the tacit and comfortable acceptance of "unknown risk" ?

vanzen@rockerboxer.com wrote:

Major Softie wrote:...Since the actual risk is unknown, I feel more comfortable not engaging the unknown and unmeasurable risk. ...

Could the activity of motorcycling even exist, let alone be enjoyed,
without the tacit and comfortable acceptance of "unknown risk" ?

The answer to your question has to be no, as you knew when you posed the question. To enjoy motorcycling is to accept some level of unknown risk. The same is true for many things we might enjoy, some with higher potential risk than others.

But it strikes me that all unknown risks are not equal, tacit acceptance or not. To create a perhaps ridiculous example, the acceptance of the risk of motorcycling is not in the same league as bedding the wife of a mafia wiseguy. Both are unmeasurable but certainly not equal.

It would seem to boil down to a risk vs reward ratio, and given the paucity of hard information on the subject it becomes a judgment call driven by the mentality of the judge.

Which I think leaves Major Softie's point intact.


Ken

I had no way of knowing this issue was so charged. I wanted information on the valve stem. If I have to alter the wheel to fit a stem then it's a deal breaker for me as I like to have the option to return to tube IF I go that rout. I respect Vanzen's opinion and his ideas as he does build bikes from the frame out! I think the opposite opinion is of great value, too. By looking at all ideas, considering every angle presented with such passion I can formulate my own opinion and choose what is best for me. Great debate! Do you guys always wrestle like this?

twist wrote: Great debate! Do you guys always wrestle like this?

Hell yeah!

Two options for a 'steel' valve stem have been shown in pictures.
In my experience, they are the only options that should be considered. Rubber valve stems are not ideal at all, in my experience.
Again, I did not need to alter my snowflake wheel in any way to accept my right angled tubeless valve.
Aluminium valve stems should be avoided as well.

twist wrote:I had no way of knowing this issue was so charged. I wanted information on the valve stem.

Just wait 'til you ask about valve stem caps.

I dare not ask about tires or oil!

twist wrote:I dare not ask about tires or oil!

Of course not, there is no need. We already decided that Bridgestone Spitfire S-11 tires and Valvoline 20-50 Four Stroke oil is the best. Right Guys?

twist wrote:... Do you guys always wrestle like this?

No, it can get acrimonious. This debate was quite gentlemanly.


Ken

twist wrote:I dare not ask about tires or oil!

Air filters are another area of spirited discussion.
I just bought another service kit comprising cleaner and oil for my K+N

Gonna fit a Metzeler enduro 1 or enduro 2 to the rear of my RS for an outback run in two weeks.
My Mac50 is 30% worn so it aint worth the risk of running that tyre. Front Lasertec is good though.

My thoughts re going tubeless with the Enduro tyres.....
There are some big potholes out in this country. Oddly, the faster ya go the less of a problem they are.....unless they are BIG.
I'll be well loaded up too. I may well run a tube in this case, although the main reason for me going tubeless in the first place was to make a puncture repair easy if one should occur, 'out there'.
Decisions, decisions.