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Major Softie wrote: But we're not German! Why did WE have to take the punishment?????

Oh, wait, actually, I AM German...

erwähnen Sie nicht den Krieg...

Garnet wrote:New from EME, an "airhead priced" gear reduction 8 tooth starter for 70 to 76 bikes.

http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/EnDura ... -str1m.htm

I just ordered one and will keep all updated on how it lasts. It's going on my winter /5 which gets ridden to work daily all winter. That should be a bit of a test.

After all the discussion about the failing Valeo starter, I just wanted to clarify something. This post is not about Valeo starters but about EME's gear reduction starter (Japanese Denso) that is a way better starter for a great price. Am I wrong?

Yes MAttfish, you are incorrect.
The starter the OP bought is one of cheap Chinese copies of a P.O.S. Valeo.
The ad from EME states that it's better than the reduction drive Car starter.
Rick at Motorad Elektrik is the one selling the re-configured Japanese gear reduction car starters.
I for one, will stick with BOSCH.
They last. Period.
The Valeo starters suck.
The Chinese copies suck even more. As has been proven by the original poster.

Features
Features:
EnDuraLast starter with exclusive 8-tooth drive Part # D6RA-AIRDRIVE/8T
1.2 Kilo Watt Rating @ 270 Amperage Draw.
"Replaces Bosch 0 001 157 007 8-tooth drive starter.
This starter is application-designed for small batteries.
Features a low-voltage solenoid "pull-in" requirement.
Will operate where other Japanese conversion starters will not due to the Denso gear-reduction starter's design having a large solenoid with sliding drive-gear assembly designed for automotive applications with large battery reserves.

New improved magnet retention includes spring clips - see picture

More efficient high strength permanent magnets replace conventional field coils, requiring less amperage to turn the starter over.
This allows the battery to provide increased voltage and amperage to the ignition system resulting in faster rpm turnovers and quicker starts with less amp draw on the battery.
New technology provides lighter (~ 7 pounds) starter motor with 70 % higher output than the old Bosch design.
Permanent magnet style starter will also retrofit older Bosch field coil starters (0.7 Kw)."

I'm more lost than ever. Is it or isn't it a gear reduction Japanese style starter? It does not appear to be a Valeo clone, and has 70% more output than a Bosch with less amperage...and a full 7 Lbs lighter.

It came in the mail yesterday. It looks identical to a Valaeo, but has no markings on it other than an EME Enduralast sticker. I assume that it is a Chinese or Vietnamese or Indian copy. A Denso starter would be clearly marked as such.

It will be a few days before I have a chance to install it. We'll have to wait and see how well it works through the winter.

mattcfish wrote:Features
Features:
EnDuraLast starter with exclusive 8-tooth drive Part # D6RA-AIRDRIVE/8T
1.2 Kilo Watt Rating @ 270 Amperage Draw.
"Replaces Bosch 0 001 157 007 8-tooth drive starter.
This starter is application-designed for small batteries.
Features a low-voltage solenoid "pull-in" requirement.
Will operate where other Japanese conversion starters will not due to the Denso gear-reduction starter's design having a large solenoid with sliding drive-gear assembly designed for automotive applications with large battery reserves.

New improved magnet retention includes spring clips - see picture

More efficient high strength permanent magnets replace conventional field coils, requiring less amperage to turn the starter over.
This allows the battery to provide increased voltage and amperage to the ignition system resulting in faster rpm turnovers and quicker starts with less amp draw on the battery.
New technology provides lighter (~ 7 pounds) starter motor with 70 % higher output than the old Bosch design.
Permanent magnet style starter will also retrofit older Bosch field coil starters (0.7 Kw)."

I'm more lost than ever. Is it or isn't it a gear reduction Japanese style starter? It does not appear to be a Valeo clone, and has 70% more output than a Bosch with less amperage...and a full 7 Lbs lighter.

mattcfish, do you really consider that it is possible for those stats to be accurate? If so, then I have a bridge to sell you.
If it has greater output (power) then it must consume more power (watts) and that is high school physics. Remember, there is no free lunch.

When I read that verbage I cringe. It is insulting to read such crap.

Every modern car that I can think of uses a planitary gear reduction permanent magnet (PMGR) starter on it . They do because they are much lighter and have a much lower power draw than the old fashioned Bosch or Delco styled starters of the past.

I do not know how accurate EME's spec are, but I do know for a fact that the Valeo starter that the spec sheet is copied from, will start my /2 conversion with it's tiny battery at a much lower temp than the stock Bosch. I commute on a beater SWB /5 all winter. It will not start below freezing with the Bosch starter. With the same battery it will start at at least 10 degress below freezing with the Valeo starter. That tells me that it draws a lot less power to crank over the same load.

The Bosch starter is robustly built and is fairly easily rebuilt by anyone with Airhead wrenching skills. If you can carry a big enough battery to crank your bike in your climate, it is the logical choice. I can't.

I ordered this Valeo copy knowing that it is manufactured in some developing country. I manage an Autoparts store. We sell a lot of products from BRIC countries, and they vary in quality from total crap to some of the best quality you can get. We have to depend upon the reputation of the importer who puts their brand name on the product to weed out the crap. In this case, if John from EME is willing to put his name on this starter, I'm willing to try it.

I've had one on my R90s for about three years now. Best money ever spent getting rid of that old, under-powered Bosch unit.

RickR90s

Garnet wrote:It came in the mail yesterday. It looks identical to a Valaeo, but has no markings on it other than an EME Enduralast sticker. I assume that it is a Chinese or Vietnamese or Indian copy. A Denso starter would be clearly marked as such.

It will be a few days before I have a chance to install it. We'll have to wait and see how well it works through the winter.

EME sells a Valeo starter and an "Enduralast" starter. The wording in the description made it sound like a Denso style starter.

I know where you're coming from on cold starts. Around here it's cold and wet 6 to 9 months of the year. I take pride in not being a "fair weather" rider.