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As an owner of a newish Corolla (a poor cheap man's Camry) I find myself searching out the equivalent two wheeler. I dream of a reasonably priced bike that is frugal with the petrol, super reliable, super low maintenance, cheap to insure, light weight, comfortable, decent weather protection and capable of running at sane speeds all day.

I am left with very few options outside of the "beginner" segment, and there I'm stuck with budget suspension and a lack of accessories.

As for hyd-lifters, why would Honda not have them in the NC700 line of engines? They claim it's half a Fit engine (even though there are no Fit parts in it) and it only revs to 6500 and by their own claims it is supposed to be the Camry (OK Accord) of motorcycles.

Zombie Master wrote:

Major Softie wrote:Even in this millennium, while the huge majority of cars have hydraulic lifters, the highest performance vehicles do not.

Cars that are not tuned to get high performance from their engines still sell. Other than the cruiser market, motorcycles not designed to get high performance from their engines, don't sell.

Camrys sell. Camry type motorcycles don't.

How about the Hondapatamus then? (GW)

That's nothing like a Camry. A Coupe De Ville, yes. A Peterbuilt, perhaps. Nothing like a Camry.

Sibbo wrote:

Major Softie wrote:Even in this millennium, while the huge majority of cars have hydraulic lifters, the highest performance vehicles do not.

Cars that are not tuned to get high performance from their engines still sell. Other than the cruiser market, motorcycles not designed to get high performance from their engines, don't sell.

Camrys sell. Camry type motorcycles don't.

The cruiser market is huge, I wonder if it's primarily a response to mechanical sophistication and uber performance ?

I don't think so. I'm not saying that's no part of it, but I don't think that's the primary thing. I think primarily it's about the image - the "lifestyle."

My neighbor across the street had a Yammie 850 triple with a Windjammer for decades. A couple years ago, he confessed that he was ready to get a Harley. I asked why and he said: "It makes you part of the club. I just want to be part of the club."

Now he's part of the club.

Oh agreed about the need of some to join the club, but there is still an attraction in chuffing simplicity. I'd be entirely happy with an ES2 !

Major Softie wrote:My neighbor across the street had a Yammie 850 triple with a Windjammer for decades.

I didn't figure out until mine was sold, that the XS750SE (the "custom") would have been a great bike with a pair of 'S' bars on it.

I was young & stupid then. Now I am older.

Major Softie wrote:

Sibbo wrote:

Major Softie wrote:Even in this millennium, while the huge majority of cars have hydraulic lifters, the highest performance vehicles do not.

Cars that are not tuned to get high performance from their engines still sell. Other than the cruiser market, motorcycles not designed to get high performance from their engines, don't sell.

Camrys sell. Camry type motorcycles don't.

The cruiser market is huge, I wonder if it's primarily a response to mechanical sophistication and uber performance ?

I don't think so. I'm not saying that's no part of it, but I don't think that's the primary thing. I think primarily it's about the image - the "lifestyle."

My neighbor across the street had a Yammie 850 triple with a Windjammer for decades. A couple years ago, he confessed that he was ready to get a Harley. I asked why and he said: "It makes you part of the club. I just want to be part of the club."

Now he's part of the club.

That is so pathetic.

Zombie Master wrote:
That is so pathetic.

I know, but my point is, I don't think he's unusual in the least. I think that's the motivation of the majority, which is only more pathetic.

Major Softie wrote:

Zombie Master wrote:
That is so pathetic.

I know, but my point is, I don't think he's unusual in the least. I think that's the motivation of the majority, which is only more pathetic.

Ya, who'd want to hang around with a bunch of old guys on slow old bikes that don't work all that well?

Garnet wrote:

Major Softie wrote:

Zombie Master wrote:
That is so pathetic.

I know, but my point is, I don't think he's unusual in the least. I think that's the motivation of the majority, which is only more pathetic.

Ya, who'd want to hang around with a bunch of old guys on slow old bikes that don't work all that well?

Ya, who'd want to hang around with a bunch of old guys on slow new bikes that don't work all that well?

Zombie Master wrote:

Garnet wrote:
Ya, who'd want to hang around with a bunch of old guys on slow old bikes that don't work all that well?

Ya, who'd want to hang around with a bunch of old guys on slow new bikes that don't work all that well?

Ya, who'd want to hang around with a bunch of old guys that don't work all that well?.