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Duane Ausherman wrote:Yes, just think how cold it would be getting back east if we didn't have global warming. Oh wait, those that want to suck our money from the government trough finally noticed that the earth isn't warming. Now it is called climate change.

Remember a similar scam with the Ozone hole over Antarctica some 20-25 years ago? Same blood suckers as then.

Duane Ausherman wrote:
That isn't a proper use of logic.

Yep, I'm with you there.

I think Steve reads just fine.

Major Softie wrote:How about: What is in doubt is your making assumptions about an issue which is agreed upon by virtually every climate scientist in the world, based on nothing other than a completely different environment/climate issue from decades before.

Your anecdote simply has nothing to do with the current issue.

Yes .

I totally agree that there is climate change, as we have lots of historic evidence. The earth got hotter until around 1998 and then went flat, at that "hot" temperature. It is still about that hot. We are seeing things continue to melt and change.

Since there are few jobs in private industry for a climate scientist, they tend to end up in positions in Universities and government. Of course they will "find" that they are needed to push for programs, paid for by taxes, that they hope to continue to get work.

From those lying bastards at NOAA:

The year 2014 was the warmest year across global land and ocean surfaces since records began in 1880. The annually-averaged temperature was 0.69°C (1.24°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F), easily breaking the previous records of 2005 and 2010 by 0.04°C (0.07°F). This also marks the 38th consecutive year (since 1977) that the yearly global temperature was above average. Including 2014, 9 of the 10 warmest years in the 135-year period of record have occurred in the 21st century. 1998 currently ranks as the fourth warmest year on record.

bbelk wrote:From those lying bastards at NOAA:

The year 2014 was the warmest year across global land and ocean surfaces since records began in 1880. The annually-averaged temperature was 0.69°C (1.24°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F), easily breaking the previous records of 2005 and 2010 by 0.04°C (0.07°F). This also marks the 38th consecutive year (since 1977) that the yearly global temperature was above average. Including 2014, 9 of the 10 warmest years in the 135-year period of record have occurred in the 21st century. 1998 currently ranks as the fourth warmest year on record.

Just another announcement from that International conspiracy of climate scientists that strangely enough includes almost every scientist working in that field plus botanists , fisheries scientists and scientists from another half a dozen fields. The evil conspiracy is spreading !

Thank goodness we have keen eyed observers like Duane who can recognise the truth of the situation.

Sibbo wrote:Thank goodness we have keen eyed observers like Duane who can recognise the truth of the situation.

He is not alone!

The Koke brothers agree with him and look at how soaked in oil money smart they are.

You mean the Koch brothers Brad.

Here is a story about the supposed drought affecting Sao Paulo Brazil. A city of 20 million people about to run out of water? Nah, no doubt it too is faked to further the hoax.

http://finance.yahoo.com/photos/brazili ... slideshow/

The Google maps photos showing melting glaciers all over the world? I'm sure they are faked too - Google is also in on the hoax. Good thing the righties aren't fooled.

Steve in Golden wrote:You mean the Koch brothers Brad.

koke, koch, crotch - whats the difference. I am going to go look at MS Canada again to see if I agree with you on that less divisive topic.

Duane Ausherman wrote:I totally agree that there is climate change, as we have lots of historic evidence. The earth got hotter until around 1998 and then went flat, at that "hot" temperature. It is still about that hot. We are seeing things continue to melt and change.

Since there are few jobs in private industry for a climate scientist, they tend to end up in positions in Universities and government. Of course they will "find" that they are needed to push for programs, paid for by taxes, that they hope to continue to get work.

The flat temp finding/theory/position is news to me. Nothing I have read supports it. Where are these findings published?

I'm not surprised that there are few jobs in private industry for climate scientists. With the exception of, say, those companies who manufacture pollution control equipment, I would say that climate scientists are of little use to private industry. In any case, I would sooner trust the findings of climate scientists who work for "universities and government" over those who work for private industry as I believe that industry is not objective in this area. I wish that were not the case but thirty-two years with EPA taught me otherwise. As far as continuing to "get work" is concerned, there's always plenty of that kind if "work" out there. I spent the last twenty of my years at EPA in emergency response and hazardous/toxic waste cleanup. For the last seven years, I managed that Federal program in eight Southeastern states. We never had to "find" it or "push" to "get work". The disasters and the long-term cleanups just kept on coming long after every single Administration thought that we must surely be coming to the end. Some were pure accidents, some were due to carelessness, some due to bad "housekeeping", some to just plain old on-purpose dumping to save money. It's the same with air pollution and global warming. Enough of it goes on in our society to supply climate scientists with lots of work.