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Re: Tool junkie...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:49 pm
by SteveD
Kurt in S.A. wrote:IME, there are really only a handful of places where a torque wrench is needed...most other locations are just tightened to a snug level or a feel...one should really develop some kind of "feel" when working on these bikes.
Here's a challenge.

Can the "feel" be described in words?

Re: Tool junkie...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:55 pm
by Garnet
SteveD wrote:
Can the "feel" be described in words?
That all depends on whom yur feelin :!:

Re: Tool junkie...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:58 pm
by dougie
SteveD wrote:
Kurt in S.A. wrote:IME, there are really only a handful of places where a torque wrench is needed...most other locations are just tightened to a snug level or a feel...one should really develop some kind of "feel" when working on these bikes.
Here's a challenge.

Can the "feel" be described in words?
Finger tight,
snug,
tight,
good and tight,
f***ing tight,
grunt-I-need-a-beer tight.

Re: Tool junkie...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:59 pm
by Garnet
SteveD wrote: Here's a challenge.

Can the "feel" be described in words?
Nope.

That is why I stopped advising the use of a hammer on a BMW. It is a very usefull tool, but if used by someone without the "feel" it's just another blunt object.

Re: Tool junkie...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:02 pm
by Garnet
dougie wrote:
good and tight,
Guttentight = Virgin in German. :shock:

Re: Tool junkie...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:19 pm
by Kurt in S.A.
Run it in until it smokes...then back off a quarter turn! :o

One possible way to develop "feel" is to take a piece of aluminum and drill/tap some holes. Take a steel bolt and turn it until you strip the aluminum. Or try different stages of tightness and see how the aluminum gives a bit each time the bolt is tightened.

Whenever possible, use as little torque as necessary to get the job done. Except for the real critical bolts, the others can be initially tightened and then you can wait and see if that is "good enough". If it loosens, then it wasn't tight enough. These are the kind of connections that are not catastrophic if they loosen during the ride. Check the bolts after each ride until you see they're not coming off.

One can reduce the possibility of over torquing by using the right tools. I like to use a nut driver on the oil pan bolts. It's quite a bit harder to over tighten using it...far better than a torque wrench or even a ratchet.

My 3ยข...

Kurt in S.A.