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Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:02 am
by Rob Frankham
I think I would be more worried about the damage done to the rest of the mechanism than the source of the lump of metal...
Good luck
Rob
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:08 am
by SteveD
Rob Frankham wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:02 am
I think I would be more worried about the damage done to the rest of the mechanism than the source of the lump of metal...
Yes of course, but as a matter of interest...especially as this busted trans doesn't need a quick repair. I have a spare.
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:37 pm
by ME 109
Hmmm, I don't think a piece of round kicker spring could be flattened like that?
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:55 pm
by SteveD
ME 109 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:37 pm
Hmmm, I don't think a piece of round kicker spring could be flattened like that?
I was looking at the diagram to try and understand what piece it might be? No conclusion from that exercise. The lever does move more freely is all I'm saying! 
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:23 am
by SteveD
Found it! Front bearing on the output shaft, with some gear surface damage to 5th gear and adjacent one on the intermediate shaft.
Some damage to the gear edges...
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:00 am
by Rob Frankham
Ouch! Not a happy outcome but not, I would suggest, totally unexpected. No cigars to anyone for guessing that one.
Rob
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:10 am
by SteveD
Seth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:47 pmMaybe the cage from the front bearing.
Good call Seth, but Rob says no cigars! 
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Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:26 am
by Seth
Rob Frankham wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:17 am
I'm seeing a piece of mangled metal about 20mm. Can't make an estimate of the thickness. I know it wasn't on the magnetic plug but is it, in fact, attracted to a magnet. This will tell you if it's steel or... well... not steel which, in the interior of the box, pretty much means aluminium alloy. If it's steel, then it's probably a gear tooth. If not, it is something knocked off the case somewhere... in which case, it is a pretty sure sign of another problem.
In any case, I think it's academic. With the problems you have, I can see no alternative to dismantling the box to see what gives. Once you get in there, you'll find out where the problem is and where to go from there. I would say, though, that the prognosis isn't brilliant. The chance of collateral damage inside the box is quite high and it would be quite a reasonable response to simply source another box.
Rob
Actually Rob Frankham was correct. It was all academic until you removed and opened up the trans. And there was collateral damage.
But all this reminds me of an episode of Car Talk (NPR show out of Boston) where it was postulated that:
"two people who don't know what they are talking about know more or less than one person who doesn't know what he's talking about?"
https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/andy-scale-0
This thread proves it!
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:04 pm
by Rob Frankham
SteveD wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:10 am
Seth wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:47 pmMaybe the cage from the front bearing.
Good call Seth, but Rob says no cigars! ,
My apologies Seth, missed that... I'd send you a cigar but I don't want to damage your health
Rob
Re: Clutch or trans?
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:54 pm
by Seth
That’s ok.
I don’t drink or smoke anyway.
Never thought it was a contest.
Like most people here, just trying to help out.