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robert wrote:

ME 109 wrote:In a relationship, I'm more interested in curves, than lines.

Sometimes you have to use a line to get to the curves.

I guess that my motorcycle experience is so old that I don't understand.

Duane Ausherman wrote:

robert wrote: Sometimes you have to use a line to get to the curves.

I guess that my motorcycle experience is so old that I don't understand.

Keep working on it, Duane. I could read Bob's post at work, but I had to wait to get home to congratulate him on another great post!

dwire wrote:A notable guy who used to sell the era of bike I own, when I personally asked him about tires as I did not want to start a tire, or oil thread on the forum, that "back in that day" the OEM tires could outperform HIM on the bike. Myself knowing this fella surely had ridden a few of these bikes, you know, selling them and stuff... Was and continue to be inclined to believe him. If I can ever get this thing together (financial issues...) I don't think I'll have any need to be outperforming that man or my 1971 R75/5 - for which I hold both in very high regard.

That is true for most riders as far as cornering - on dry pavement. Braking is a completely different matter, as is wet weather performance. If you can lock up your brake, you can stop faster with a tire that has more grip. Likewise, more modern rubber, and tread patterns, provide superior wet weather performance. Braking in the wet? Double whammy.

When I have to hit my brakes hard in a panic stop on wet pavement, my first priority is always that my tires be as attractive as possible.

MS, I'm glad you refer to 'panic braking' and not emergency braking.

Gosh, I wrote a response and then re-read yours (MS) here and realized my response was not really even relevant. I nor this gentleman did we discuss specifically the things you are talking about, as it was assumed the motorcycle was to be ridden not displayed in a living room. That would mean it would see all of the loading, rain, oil, threshold braking if I wanted to push into a corner or that scary panic stop I've already had a few of. Keep in mind too I had crap tires on that were hard as a rock and in a "panic stop" situation the decel rate was so rapid I was slid forward clear up to the speedo with torso bent over the bars and little worthless visor thing touching the front fender. The front brake had not locked. The rear as expected locked, for it likely was pretty well off the ground; and likely completely off the pavement when I came to rest. I know the front brake had met its threshold as I could see the wisp of smoke coming off it and modulated it to take advantage of 100% of the traction it could offer me. Even though people would call that situation a "panic stop" and I sure was panicked, the maneuver I made and how I utilized the brakes on the bike (namely front one) were a classic threshold braking procedure - just as you're taught when you climb in to open wheel race cars.

I'm quite sure the only thing that stopped the front tire from locking (and very likely me crashing) was how I was nearly thrown off the front and had put ALL of my weight over the front tire. I had to adjust the you know what out of the brake cable as soon as I got to a light as I had stretched it out in the process - surprised I'd not bent the handle!

Anyhow, if I had known people were looking to poke at each other so, I'd have not posted. I did not post that comment as a ringing endorsement for the OEM tires; I posted it for today there are a myriad of choices and all claim this or that, some riders claim good and or bad with the same tire - so imagine my surprise and pleasure, since I was truly looking for an original or original style tire when this friend made their comment. I'm not here to endorse any tire. I also am not going to go into brakes either as I'd turn that into an oil/tire thread with a handful as that was my career, al be it much more short lived than was guaranteed initially...

When it's raining, this tyre is downright gorgeous -

But which are the lines and which are the curves? (ME 33) That is a Metzler of some kind right?

dwire wrote:But which are the lines and which are the curves? (ME 33) That is a Metzler of some kind right?

Yes Metzeler Lasertec, a.k.a. ME33.
I think Jeff (ME109) uses them on anything that moves.

That why I offerd the Brigestone S-11 Spitfire

Hot, cold, wet or dry they work.............. LOOK GOOD not to hard on the pocket book and last

Heck I once was heading out in high dessert, it was a Airhead over nighter gathering at a members retirement Cabin.

The road was very good, nice curves...... good strights............ a 60 MPH road... it was the signs, I was supposed to be on the look out for, I was enjoying a good set of switch backs, Then saw the drveway sign, I made the turn to the Cabin and the black top dissapeered and I was on hard pack sand and gravel, I was going fast........

I stood up on the pegs and let speed drop gently at just under 30 MPH the bikes footing became more in tune and I rode the rest in my saddle

so as a off rode tire the Bridestones works and might be a better for the orginal question of a tire that may be better on the Road of Kauai

and I find Great confidence in them

Lyman

Duane Ausherman wrote:

robert wrote:

ME 109 wrote:In a relationship, I'm more interested in curves, than lines.

Sometimes you have to use a line to get to the curves.

I guess that my motorcycle experience is so old that I don't understand.

I don't think they are talking about motorcycles, Duane.