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R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:43 pm
by Aron
Hey All,

My 1974 R90S started smoking heavy after start up. Compression is 150psi both sides. Checked with camera, cylinders have cross hatch and look excellent. It will run perfect for a few minutes then both cylinders start to smoke excessively. Checked needle and seats in both carbs, no leakage. Seems like oil. Crank vent problems? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:45 pm
by gspd
not enough details
is it running perfectly and smoking or running crappy?
could be:
too much oil (VERY common issue). Don't fill to full mark, should be between the upper and lower marks
with dipstick not screwed in.
or...or....or...
broken /bad rings and or valve guides
breather malfunction
wrong oil
choke malfunction
accelerator pump malfunction (if Dellorto carbs)
blocked/dirty air filter or intake

first thing i'd do is dump the oil and refill with fresh 20w50, then take it for a good boot and see what happens

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:00 am
by Rob Frankham
Aron wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:43 pm Hey All,

My 1974 R90S started smoking heavy after start up. Compression is 150psi both sides. Checked with camera, cylinders have cross hatch and look excellent. It will run perfect for a few minutes then both cylinders start to smoke excessively. Checked needle and seats in both carbs, no leakage. Seems like oil. Crank vent problems? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Do you leave it on the side stand after a run... If you do, don't.

Rob

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:08 pm
by Aron
No I haven’t, it will idle fine for a few minutes then both cylinders start smoking. Upright clamped on my work table.

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:28 am
by Rob Frankham
Ok... does the smoke go away when the bike is ridden for a while? Is this a new issue? Has the bike been laid up? Has there recently been any work to the top ends?

As a starting point I would certainly be checking the breather valve to see if it is damaged or gummed up.

Rob

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:54 am
by MikeL46
Is it oil smoke, or heavy condensation from cold weather?

Oil smoke never goes away while condensation will stop once the exhaust is fully warmed up.

Mike

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:38 am
by Aron
It started on a ride. Happened abruptly but I limped it home. Definitely oil. Pipes are black w/oily film. It will run great for a bit then both pipes start to smoke. Steadily worsens. Thanks!

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:07 pm
by Rob Frankham
Hate to say this bit of both pipes are smoking equally on a '74 machine, it's unlikely to be the breather. On machines of that age, the breather only vents into the right hand carb...

One thought, On one occasion, I had oil smoke and leakage on a later machine. Turned out that the bolt that holds the airbox onto the transmission had worked loose and come out. The engine was pulling gearbox oil in and burning that. On the earlier bikes like yours, the bolt is still present but holds the steel strip which secures the clamshell halves of the air felter housing. Might be worth a look.

If, as you say, both sides are smoking equally, either both sides have broken at the same time (not very likely) or there is one fault that affects both sides... that pretty much means the airbox area so that's where I'd be looking first...

Rob

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:22 am
by Aron
Thanks for the info, I’ll check it out when I get back to Wisconsin. I’m in Florida for the winter.😎

Re: R90s smoking after startup

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:50 am
by SteveD
Worn valve guides?