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Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:24 am
by SteveD
...the Wooler? Some interesting concepts there, like frame integrated exhausts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j_NjhYGZMc
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:14 am
by Sibbo
Wow ! What a great bike ..... like an improved Velocette Valiant . I often wonder what would have happened had Velocette made the Valiant a 500 instead of a 200cc bike .
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:16 am
by Sibbo
The marque disappeared after founder John Wooler died, in 1956.
http://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/wikig/W ... ng_Co.html
And a bloody pity that was too .I can do without the tankcumheadlight but the rest is brilliant .
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:45 am
by Garnet
The "Beam engine" is the most bizarre part of the bike. I've got a pic of it at home that I took at Sammy Miler's. Ill post it tonight.
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:52 am
by Deleted User 62
I love the "Flying Wrench" hood ornament!
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:34 pm
by Sibbo
About the 1953 500cc Wooler
Britain’s forgotten four
After Wooler achieved fame with its ‘Flying Banana’ twin in the Twenties, little was heard from the small London marque until the 1948 London Show. One of the sensations of that event was a prototype 500cc Wooler shaft-drive tourer with an extraordinary four-cylinder engine. Horizontally-opposed pistons were connected to its crankshaft via a single main connecting rod and a complex rocking-beam mechanism.
Although John Wooler was reluctant to admit it, his innovative engine was impractical. To salvage the project, his son Ronald designed a more orthodox horizontally-opposed four-cylinder power unit. The redesigned four has a compact all-alloy power unit with one carburettor for each pair of cylinders and overhead valves operated by pushrods from camshafts in the lower engine. Drive to the rear wheel from the single-plate clutch and four-speed gearbox is by a shaft and bevel gears. Maintaining Wooler’s ‘Flying Banana’ tradition, the fuel tank unit extends forward ahead of the steering stem and forms the headlamp nacelle. A toolbox is built into the top of the gearbox and an oil pressure gauge is located just ahead of it.
http://www.nationalmotorcyclemuseum.co. ... ooler/115/
Predating Honda’s Gold Wing flat-four shaft drive tourer by 20 years, the Wooler set out to offer the highest levels of comfort, silence and ease of use. But its maker lacked the finance needed to develop and make a competitive product. As few as five machines are thought to have been assembled before John Wooler died and his marque folded in 1956.
SPECIFICATION
Engine: 498cc (50 x 63.5mm) overhead valve flat four, two 26mm Solex carburettors, coil ignition
Transmission: Single-plate clutch, four-speed gearbox, shaft final drive
Chassis: Tubular frame, telescopic fork front suspension, plunger rear suspension, drum brakes.
Wheels: 19in front and rear
Power 32bhp at 6,000rpm Weight 352lb (160kg) Top speed 85mph
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:42 pm
by Deleted User 62
Here's another that always facinated me, the 1950 Imme, single sided forks and swingarm, with the swingarm also serving as the exhaust pipe. Note how the engine pivots in frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QAxxs5A7pE
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:03 am
by Sibbo
Singles sided ? That's pretty amazing from the 50s .
How about the BSA Beagle ? 1964.75cc, OHV .An excellent little bit of gear, I wonder why it didn't sell like Hondas ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9tUZyPVwIY
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:32 pm
by Zombie Master
I wish my projects went together that easily.
Hilarious!
Re: Whatever happened to....
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:41 pm
by Major Softie
Sibbo wrote:
How about the BSA Beagle ? 1964.75cc, OHV .An excellent little bit of gear, I wonder why it didn't sell like Hondas ?
Just guessing: price and reliability.
Edit: after looking at the specs, I'm thinking performance as well. Beagle had 4 hp, went 40 mph. 64 Honda Super 90 had 8 hp and was supposed to be able to do 65. My guess is that the far superior performance of the Honda was available for the same or less money.
Second Edit:
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The Beagle had roller main bearings, geared primary drive and a four speed gearbox, but a weak top end let it down, along with its many oil leaks. Handling was poor, and if worked hard the engines would often give up at well under 10,000 miles.
But these days we rise to the challenge of riding a bike that was a failure in its day. Most cyclemotors suffered from the same essential issue – which is that they were not in production for long enough for the various problems to be solved.
Though influenced by Edward Turner (famous for the Ariel Square Four and Triumph Speed Twin), it had been rushed out by BSA to try and compete in a market they were losing to imports. Italian lightweight motorcycles had excellent reputations and the revolutionary Honda 4 stroke mopeds had just started to arrive. But, with inherent engine problems, most Beagles soon ended up back in the shops that had sold them. My mechanic worked on them when he first started as an apprentice. He told me that BSA refused to honour the guarantees, so shops had to bear the costs themselves."
http://buyvintage1.wordpress.com/page-2 ... ine-600cc/
So, I guess there were PLENTY of reasons.