Me and Grant had a chat about improving the output from the headlight today.
Other than
1. cleaning the reflector, and the electrical connections
2. a higher output H4 eg 60/100, and a new reflector
3. spotlights.
what are the other reasonable alternatives?
Alternative headlight? What?
HID? Anyone done that?
R100 headlight improvements.
R100 headlight improvements.
Cheers, Steve
Victoria, S.E.Oz.
1982 R100RSR100RS supergallery. https://boxerboy81.smugmug.com/R100RS
2006 K1200R.
1994 R1100GS.
Victoria, S.E.Oz.
1982 R100RSR100RS supergallery. https://boxerboy81.smugmug.com/R100RS
2006 K1200R.
1994 R1100GS.
Re: R100 headlight improvements.
The PIAA INTENSE WHITE H4 is a viable alternative.
http://www.piaa.com/Bulbs/Bulbs-H4.html
Same wattage as stock, but a LOT brighter/whiter.
http://www.piaa.com/Bulbs/Bulbs-H4.html
Same wattage as stock, but a LOT brighter/whiter.
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Re: R100 headlight improvements.
I'll be looking for something new for the R90S... the old light is looking a bit sad. Back in the day when I was riding Sydney-Orange return every weekend... at night, I ran a 100w Cibie Super Oscar on the crash bar. It would melt the retinas of any bastard who didn't dip their lights. If I was doing lots of night work again, it'd be extra driving lights again..... I went over the handlebars at speed back in my early days due to crappy lights (and overconfidence, ie bad riding), on my part. I woke up in hospital, some time later.
Re: R100 headlight improvements.
I had an HID on my R1200GS. I really liked the HID for several reasons:
1) Lower energy-draw: about half the wattage of a halogen lamp.
2) Long life: no filament, so there is nothing to burn out or succumb to vibration.
3) Easy installation: HID's can be had in any common H-type lamp base
4) Better light: Contrary to popular belief, HID's generally do not produce more light than a halogen lamp, but it's cleaner and often whiter light, much closer to daylight and lumen for lumen it illuminates things better.
I've got to run right now, but when I get home I'll talk more about HID including some helpful details on installation.
1) Lower energy-draw: about half the wattage of a halogen lamp.
2) Long life: no filament, so there is nothing to burn out or succumb to vibration.
3) Easy installation: HID's can be had in any common H-type lamp base
4) Better light: Contrary to popular belief, HID's generally do not produce more light than a halogen lamp, but it's cleaner and often whiter light, much closer to daylight and lumen for lumen it illuminates things better.
I've got to run right now, but when I get home I'll talk more about HID including some helpful details on installation.
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Re: R100 headlight improvements.
OK, on to further details as promised.
One downside of HID lighting is that there's more stuff. The old halogen lamp in your bike is just a lamp (BTW 'lamp' is the correct technical term for a light bulb). HID consists of the lamp, a ballast, and often a small transformer too, plus the wires to connect all these components.
Here's what it looks like:
The lamp is at upper left, inside a protective plastic cover which is removed before installation. The silver box at lower right is the ballast, and the black box next to it is the transformer. Obviously, you'll need somewhere to stow these components. The ballast in the picture is about 3.5" x 3.5" x .5", and the transformer is about the size of a matchbox. You will need one ballast per lamp, and one transformer per ballast if your ballasts require them (some have internal transformers).
On a nekkid airhead, it would probably be a good strategy to pull the headlight wire back from the light bucket and re-route it to somewhere under the fuel tank, where it can connect to the transformer, and then the wire from the ballast can be run out to the bucket. Bikes with fairings will probably be easier.
Now for some good news!
In the picture above you can just barely see a couple of blade terminals close to the base of the lamp. Those terminals are all you have to connect to the bike- just plug them into the socket that the halogen lamp plugged into...no modifications to the bike's wiring are required!
One other detail: HID lamps are like gymnasium lamps- there is a delay between the moment when power is applied and the moment when the lamp reaches full brightness. Luckily, for vehicular HID's that delay is only a second or two. What this means in real life is that for vehicles that use separate lamps for high and low beams, it's not much of a problem except for when the high beams are flashed to tell someone to get the hell out of your way or other signaling uses. The exception to this is the H4.
Halogen H4's have two filaments, each at a different distance from the back of the headlight reflector. There are H4-base HID's that use this change in focal distance to the reflector to make high and low beams. How do they do this, especially when they take a second to warm up? Easily- they have a small solenoid, controlled by the vehicle's high-beam circuit, that moves the lamp's gas-envelope a few milimetres to produce the required change in focal distance. Just like with the single-beam HID's, it is plug-n-play with the vehicle's electrical system.
Now to complicate things a bit.
When you shop for HID's, you will be presented with some options. As mentioned in my previous post, you can get HID lamps in all common H-type base styles. But there's another option you have to deal with when selecting your lamp, and that's colour temperature. Basically, colour temperature refers to the colour of the light emitted by the lamp, expressed as a temperature (I'm not certain whether or not it is the actual temperature at which the gas in the lamp glows or some other type of measurement). The setup I used on my GS used a 6000 Kelvin lamp, which meant a nice very white colour of light. The merchant from whom I bought the kit also had lamps at other values, such as 4500-5000 K which were a little yellower, or 6500-7000 K which were a little bluer.
Here's a good shot of the colour of the light. In this picture the HID low-beam is operating, and so are a pair of 35W halogen Motolights:
Notice how yellow the halogens look compared to the HID.
You may also be presented with options for different ballasts. For example, my merchant had two different ballasts from which to choose, the main functional difference being that one was about 10% more efficient, which translated into more light output from the same lamp, but was also larger and costlier. I chose the smaller, lower-priced ballast and found the output of the lamp to be quite satisfactory, but then my bike's headlight reflector and lens were fairly well-designed too. Less-good headlight designs may warrant using the more efficient & powerful components. My result was a nice, clean, very white light that was great at night because the clean clarity of it really illuminated and defined everything upon which it fell, almost like a little piece of daylight in front of me. It was also great for daytime conspicuity.
Prices and selection continue to improve, and already a decent HID setup will pay for itself if it outlasts 4 or 5 halogens (or maybe less- I haven't checked prices in a couple of years). This technology continues to gain popularity, and BMW offer it on a few bikes in the current model-linep.
One downside of HID lighting is that there's more stuff. The old halogen lamp in your bike is just a lamp (BTW 'lamp' is the correct technical term for a light bulb). HID consists of the lamp, a ballast, and often a small transformer too, plus the wires to connect all these components.
Here's what it looks like:
The lamp is at upper left, inside a protective plastic cover which is removed before installation. The silver box at lower right is the ballast, and the black box next to it is the transformer. Obviously, you'll need somewhere to stow these components. The ballast in the picture is about 3.5" x 3.5" x .5", and the transformer is about the size of a matchbox. You will need one ballast per lamp, and one transformer per ballast if your ballasts require them (some have internal transformers).
On a nekkid airhead, it would probably be a good strategy to pull the headlight wire back from the light bucket and re-route it to somewhere under the fuel tank, where it can connect to the transformer, and then the wire from the ballast can be run out to the bucket. Bikes with fairings will probably be easier.
Now for some good news!
In the picture above you can just barely see a couple of blade terminals close to the base of the lamp. Those terminals are all you have to connect to the bike- just plug them into the socket that the halogen lamp plugged into...no modifications to the bike's wiring are required!
One other detail: HID lamps are like gymnasium lamps- there is a delay between the moment when power is applied and the moment when the lamp reaches full brightness. Luckily, for vehicular HID's that delay is only a second or two. What this means in real life is that for vehicles that use separate lamps for high and low beams, it's not much of a problem except for when the high beams are flashed to tell someone to get the hell out of your way or other signaling uses. The exception to this is the H4.
Halogen H4's have two filaments, each at a different distance from the back of the headlight reflector. There are H4-base HID's that use this change in focal distance to the reflector to make high and low beams. How do they do this, especially when they take a second to warm up? Easily- they have a small solenoid, controlled by the vehicle's high-beam circuit, that moves the lamp's gas-envelope a few milimetres to produce the required change in focal distance. Just like with the single-beam HID's, it is plug-n-play with the vehicle's electrical system.
Now to complicate things a bit.
When you shop for HID's, you will be presented with some options. As mentioned in my previous post, you can get HID lamps in all common H-type base styles. But there's another option you have to deal with when selecting your lamp, and that's colour temperature. Basically, colour temperature refers to the colour of the light emitted by the lamp, expressed as a temperature (I'm not certain whether or not it is the actual temperature at which the gas in the lamp glows or some other type of measurement). The setup I used on my GS used a 6000 Kelvin lamp, which meant a nice very white colour of light. The merchant from whom I bought the kit also had lamps at other values, such as 4500-5000 K which were a little yellower, or 6500-7000 K which were a little bluer.
Here's a good shot of the colour of the light. In this picture the HID low-beam is operating, and so are a pair of 35W halogen Motolights:
Notice how yellow the halogens look compared to the HID.
You may also be presented with options for different ballasts. For example, my merchant had two different ballasts from which to choose, the main functional difference being that one was about 10% more efficient, which translated into more light output from the same lamp, but was also larger and costlier. I chose the smaller, lower-priced ballast and found the output of the lamp to be quite satisfactory, but then my bike's headlight reflector and lens were fairly well-designed too. Less-good headlight designs may warrant using the more efficient & powerful components. My result was a nice, clean, very white light that was great at night because the clean clarity of it really illuminated and defined everything upon which it fell, almost like a little piece of daylight in front of me. It was also great for daytime conspicuity.
Prices and selection continue to improve, and already a decent HID setup will pay for itself if it outlasts 4 or 5 halogens (or maybe less- I haven't checked prices in a couple of years). This technology continues to gain popularity, and BMW offer it on a few bikes in the current model-linep.
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Re: R100 headlight improvements.
One of the problems with HID in the airheads, is the HID H4 'lamp' and plug is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch longer than a stock unit to the rear. Because a lot of airheads have their wiring board directly behind the light, this can pose a problem with clearance.
I bought one of the HID auto kits a while back , but couldn't see how to fit the lamp and plug in the headlight nacelle on my R80G/S. Even less of a chance on the older RS with the wiring board behind the plug.
I also understand that the higher the Kelvin number the lower the actual light output. i.e the blue and purple lights are actually dimmer than the yellow and whites.
I bought one of the HID auto kits a while back , but couldn't see how to fit the lamp and plug in the headlight nacelle on my R80G/S. Even less of a chance on the older RS with the wiring board behind the plug.
I also understand that the higher the Kelvin number the lower the actual light output. i.e the blue and purple lights are actually dimmer than the yellow and whites.
Re: R100 headlight improvements.
I tried a dual position (hi/lo) H4 HID a while back.
There was a dangerously annoying black hole in the middle of the beam, caused by the oversized cap that houses the high/low mechanism.
You can avoid this by using a single filament HID (no hi/lo function)
Also, when it goes off, like if a connector comes loose, you are in total darkness; with a standard dual filament H4, you have an instant backup beam at the flip of a switch.
For auxiliary lights I would definitely go for HIDs.
but I wouldn't replace a dual filament incandescent H4 with a H4 HID.
There was a dangerously annoying black hole in the middle of the beam, caused by the oversized cap that houses the high/low mechanism.
You can avoid this by using a single filament HID (no hi/lo function)
Also, when it goes off, like if a connector comes loose, you are in total darkness; with a standard dual filament H4, you have an instant backup beam at the flip of a switch.
For auxiliary lights I would definitely go for HIDs.
but I wouldn't replace a dual filament incandescent H4 with a H4 HID.
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My bike was on fire, the road was on fire, and I was on fire.
It was the best ride ever!"
"I remember every raging second of it...
My bike was on fire, the road was on fire, and I was on fire.
It was the best ride ever!"
Re: R100 headlight improvements.
Thanks guys. Excellent info. The PIAA sounds likely...simplest, cheapest, safest.
Re: the hid, it seems like a typical pro v con decision, then some creative thinking/trouble shooting for the install in that crowded headlight.
I think gspd might have the answer, by leaving the headlight alone and positioning the hid elsewhere.
How waterproof is the ballast?
So a question still.
Despite the difficulties, has anyone successfully fitted a HID in the headlight of a R100RS?
What is the method to fix the lamp so it's stable? I'm guessing it doesn't click into the H4 spot.
Re: the hid, it seems like a typical pro v con decision, then some creative thinking/trouble shooting for the install in that crowded headlight.
I think gspd might have the answer, by leaving the headlight alone and positioning the hid elsewhere.
How waterproof is the ballast?
So a question still.
Despite the difficulties, has anyone successfully fitted a HID in the headlight of a R100RS?
What is the method to fix the lamp so it's stable? I'm guessing it doesn't click into the H4 spot.
Cheers, Steve
Victoria, S.E.Oz.
1982 R100RSR100RS supergallery. https://boxerboy81.smugmug.com/R100RS
2006 K1200R.
1994 R1100GS.
Victoria, S.E.Oz.
1982 R100RSR100RS supergallery. https://boxerboy81.smugmug.com/R100RS
2006 K1200R.
1994 R1100GS.
Re: R100 headlight improvements.
Thanks Chris & GSPD; I wasn't aware of the fitment and beam problems.
A brighter H4 might be the best way to improve the headlight, but be aware of higher temps & shorter lamp-life.
As for lights elsewhere, your options *really* open up. There is even some really cool LED stuff available now, and it's getting good enough to really punch a hole in the darkness ahead. It has many of the same benefits as HID but with a VERY low cuurent-draw. These are pretty amazing: http://www.amazon.com/Vision-XIL-S1100- ... 01TQ6DI2/2
A brighter H4 might be the best way to improve the headlight, but be aware of higher temps & shorter lamp-life.
As for lights elsewhere, your options *really* open up. There is even some really cool LED stuff available now, and it's getting good enough to really punch a hole in the darkness ahead. It has many of the same benefits as HID but with a VERY low cuurent-draw. These are pretty amazing: http://www.amazon.com/Vision-XIL-S1100- ... 01TQ6DI2/2
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"It just wouldn't be a complete day if I didn't forget something!" -Me
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Re: R100 headlight improvements.
This website used to have a section dealing with the pro's and cons of running HID, but it appears that he's re-arranged his website and I don't see it any more. He had a very detailed explanation of HID lights, particularly aftermarket kits, and I'd have a PDF but he's copyrighted his thoughts (not unreasonably I might add!) so I don't feel it's fair to reprint the info here. Those interested might want to email him off his website, as his articles were very thorough and helpful IMHO.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com
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