Good advice and an excellent source to determine a vastly improved MC:caliper ratio.Major Softie wrote:Don't rush into getting a large MC. Early Airheads had MC - Caliper piston ratios that were far from optimum, and smaller MC pistons make the braking much better. Check here for specific numbers:
http://www.vintagebrake.com/mastercylinder.htm
New front forks?
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Re: New front forks?
Duane,
The battery charger has an indicator showing when the unit is fully charged. It does crank pretty good, but I don't feel it has enough reserve amperage to do the job. We are talking about a 10 year old battery, I believe, if it matches the last registration I found in the tool tray. Since it has been charging my next move is to go to Batteries + and do a load test.
As far as the MC, I was checking the parts fiche and it seems that 14mm was stock for the 90/6, but the 90/S used a 16mm till 9/75 then they went to a 17mm. Based on the replacement prices I have seen, I may not rush to change it yet.
The battery charger has an indicator showing when the unit is fully charged. It does crank pretty good, but I don't feel it has enough reserve amperage to do the job. We are talking about a 10 year old battery, I believe, if it matches the last registration I found in the tool tray. Since it has been charging my next move is to go to Batteries + and do a load test.
As far as the MC, I was checking the parts fiche and it seems that 14mm was stock for the 90/6, but the 90/S used a 16mm till 9/75 then they went to a 17mm. Based on the replacement prices I have seen, I may not rush to change it yet.
1974 R90/6 built 9/73
1987 BMW K75S
1994 BMW R1100RS
1964 T100SR Triumph
1986 Honda XL600R
1987 BMW K75S
1994 BMW R1100RS
1964 T100SR Triumph
1986 Honda XL600R
Re: New front forks?
14mm was stock on a single disc bike, the larger unit used for twin discs.
The major is correct, BMW cocked up the ratios between the master and slave cylinders resulting in very wooden brakes, I think that they were worried that people would lock the front wheels.
I use a 13mm handlebar MC from a r100r, bought new from Motobins, the ratio is perfect for the twin 38mm solve cylinder brakes on my R90/6, giving we much more feel and power on the front brakes, the brake lever comes back much further towards the twist grip but I do not run out of brakes even when provoked by a series of full on stops from 70mph. The brakes are still not as good as the brembos on my 82.
The major is correct, BMW cocked up the ratios between the master and slave cylinders resulting in very wooden brakes, I think that they were worried that people would lock the front wheels.
I use a 13mm handlebar MC from a r100r, bought new from Motobins, the ratio is perfect for the twin 38mm solve cylinder brakes on my R90/6, giving we much more feel and power on the front brakes, the brake lever comes back much further towards the twist grip but I do not run out of brakes even when provoked by a series of full on stops from 70mph. The brakes are still not as good as the brembos on my 82.
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Yeah, the more I hear about these ratios, the more I am inclined to let them be for the present. When I converted my Connie from the stock calipers (looks like they are of the same single moveable puck type) to some dual 4 piston units the MC was left as stock. The brakes really work good, there is wonderful progressive braking and I can lock them up with a bit of effort. I really like the progressive feel as I do mountain riding daily and I like to drag them a bit going downhill into curves.
thanks for the link to the brake ratio site.
regards,
thanks for the link to the brake ratio site.
regards,
1974 R90/6 built 9/73
1987 BMW K75S
1994 BMW R1100RS
1964 T100SR Triumph
1986 Honda XL600R
1987 BMW K75S
1994 BMW R1100RS
1964 T100SR Triumph
1986 Honda XL600R
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You may have to drill your 14mm MC to get 2 brake lines for the twin discs
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Nonsense. This will be only one option –chasbmw wrote:You may have to drill your 14mm MC to get 2 brake lines for the twin discs
One can also fit a a splitter at the mc or use a custom split line.
I'd bet that chasbmw's method (13mm handlebar MC from a r100r) works quite well !

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I have a 11 mm m/c with twin ATEs and it works well, without any excessive lever travel.
Most Jap cars have the same thread as BMW brake fittings, so a splitter isnt hard to locate if you want one - they are usually still bolted to the front of the firewall.
Or you could follow the factory and use a single line to the RHS calliper, then run run a solid steel line from the bleed nipple up and over over to the LHS calliper.
I have seen a nice set up on a few Kawasaki K1s, with a fancy splitter fitted to the bottom if the lower triple, if you fancy a custom look.
Most Jap cars have the same thread as BMW brake fittings, so a splitter isnt hard to locate if you want one - they are usually still bolted to the front of the firewall.
Or you could follow the factory and use a single line to the RHS calliper, then run run a solid steel line from the bleed nipple up and over over to the LHS calliper.
I have seen a nice set up on a few Kawasaki K1s, with a fancy splitter fitted to the bottom if the lower triple, if you fancy a custom look.
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Re: New front forks?
Your battery is 10 years old? As in "ten" years? I would turn it in on warranty, as it should have failed 4 years ago. Something is wrong with it for putting out anything at all at this late stage. I would want it fixed to operate as it should.jagarra wrote:Duane,
The battery charger has an indicator showing when the unit is fully charged. It does crank pretty good, but I don't feel it has enough reserve amperage to do the job. We are talking about a 10 year old battery, I believe, if it matches the last registration I found in the tool tray. Since it has been charging my next move is to go to Batteries + and do a load test.
As far as the MC, I was checking the parts fiche and it seems that 14mm was stock for the 90/6, but the 90/S used a 16mm till 9/75 then they went to a 17mm. Based on the replacement prices I have seen, I may not rush to change it yet.
Seriously, don't even mess with it, go get a new one. At old age you are fighting several unknown things inside that make it useless to bother with.
Ask the Indians what happens when you don't control immigration.
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One could also just make a splitter down by the caliper...worked pretty well for mine.chasbmw wrote:You may have to drill your 14mm MC to get 2 brake lines for the twin discs
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After I pulled the battery, what a pain, had to loosen the bat box and remove the bolts holding the rear section on. I saw a date scribed on it with an 02 date. Ten years old alright. Took it to Batteries plus and we did a load test on it. It held 12v and 300 cranking amps for a few seconds, then dropped like a rock. Got a replacement, lead acid battery the same large size (that bearly fits between the frame) for a great price and put it on a trickle charger to get it up to full charge.
Made a little mistake when I left and didn't turn off one of the petcocks, found a nice puddle of gas under the bike, leaking from the right carb. Guess I have to check that out next.
Have yet to pull the tank and check out the fittings needed for the MC, if it's a banjo style they make nice stacking fittings for dual lines. Not a priority as getting it running to evaluate the condition is becoming a higher priority now.
Made a little mistake when I left and didn't turn off one of the petcocks, found a nice puddle of gas under the bike, leaking from the right carb. Guess I have to check that out next.
Have yet to pull the tank and check out the fittings needed for the MC, if it's a banjo style they make nice stacking fittings for dual lines. Not a priority as getting it running to evaluate the condition is becoming a higher priority now.
1974 R90/6 built 9/73
1987 BMW K75S
1994 BMW R1100RS
1964 T100SR Triumph
1986 Honda XL600R
1987 BMW K75S
1994 BMW R1100RS
1964 T100SR Triumph
1986 Honda XL600R